Another common reaction to this rig is, “Why not just use a spinning rod?” That’s fair too. Hi, Jerry. once again, i hope that’s ok. cheers, marc. I can see how you might catch some flack from purist/traditionalists, but I appreciate how it does not deter from your willingness to address obvious fly fishing issues. All fishing casts happen because of weight. I suspect I’ll take some flak about this long Mono Rig. Well, they are two really different approaches. It's not just a tight line or euro nymphing rig. You can find tight line leader recipes from a variety of dependable sources (Dynamic Nymphing by George Daniel is one of the best). Just found this site, and having a great time running through the articles. . I’m interested enough to want to try the mono rig and, if it feels right to me and shows advantages over the traditional fly line approach, it could be killer. Euro nymphing is an elegant, tight line solution. Your mono rig pretty much matches French style. Here’s one more thing to consider: You have direct control over the two elements of depth and drop (you set the depth, and you choose the weight). All monofilament has this tendency, but some brands hold their memory much more than others. http://flyanglersonline.com/features/lakes/part81.php. I often experiment with different materials, but I keep coming back to Maxima Chameleon in #20 because it’s thin (.017″), yet it’s thick enough that it still handles well. Joe, you said you can’t get close to it, so I think you might have trouble tight lining it. Hi, Bob. I have things set up so I can swap out the long leader and go to my standard dry fly leader in about a minute. At the heart of every good leader design is an intentional balance between turnover and drag. I fish mostly bigger tail water rivers where the trout have plenty of room to run. And learn to accurately judge the distance you are casting. If I add a suspender/indicator, I do so on the first few feet of the tippet section. . This line memory — this line coiling — is a problem. Eventually, he had Cortland manufacture what they marketed as the Deep Nymph Floating Line — a very thin running line of about .022” in diameter. If you CAN get close enough, then yeah I would tight line it. We’re told to feel the nymph tick, tick, tick across the rocks, and then set the hook when a trout eats. Many thanks for making me think again …… 250savage. as you say, the ‘mono’ fishing style for any subsurface fishing isn’t new, around here (France) its rather the norm where amateurs picked it up from the high-level comp scene 10-15 years ago. Spin fishing for trout is performed with thin monofilament lines. There’s something very special about casting dries on a fly line that should not be missed. The body is about 10mm long and the feather tail is about 15-120 mm long. I say. 2 – are you applying anything glue like to the larger knots above the tippet ring so that they run through the guides more smoothly? i understand your push/pull analogy but i can’t really see it that way but that’s more than ok thanks a bunch for the kind words regarding TLC, that means a lot. Thanks Btw been watching Devin and Lance’s video, really well done and super informative. There are a lot of positive comments popping up on Facebook in addition to what is showing up here. Those are my experiences. It has a lot of answers, really. Who cares? It was referred to as bounce fishing since weight was put on the very bottom and flies or other bait put on droppers above. The Dai Riki shooting line from Bailey’s was stiffer than the leader material and actually cast well but the running line was the best. So I just use a butt section that’s long enough that I will rarely have fly line off the spool. So, because I spend lots of time with suspenders and streamers attached to the Mono Rig, I like a 4 or 5 weight rod instead of the euro-nymphing specific rods. But you have only indirect control over the angle, which is primarily determined by the current speed (though you … If you can’t reach it, then I would try tight lining the bobber. Looking forward to more. Even for a lot of hatches, I like to fish nymphs, so I often use a dry dropper set up on the mono rig, and if I have the balance right between weight of the nymph and wind resistance of the fly, I can fish the dry dropper pretty far off. Domenick, I switched to your system last year and love using it. Note: This article was also published at Gink and Gasoline back on May 28th. For me, that’s about 24 feet of butt section, then the rest of my leader. I follow the the limp cobra too. Staying close and then gradually adding distance is the way to go. Accuracy also comes from CASTING and not LOBBING. And more trout eat the fly . I’ve been Euro nymphing for years before I even knew it had a name. It just seemed like too much weight and my casts were all over the place. It is hard to quantify just how appreciative I am for this. Hey Joe, I’m really happy to hear that it’s working out for you. But as you read above, there’s a lot more too it. Hi. Try tying on a good, chunky #10-8 stonefly imitation or beadhead Bugger, and then get comfortable nymphing that at short distances. Another question you probably have answered somewhere but, why not run only mono or 60′ so you never see the end of it? I could have stated it better. Lead. I change leaders a good bit, really, especially during hatch season. But Smith had also drawn out of me one thing that I’d never fully put into words before explaining it to him. ), In a previous article, I detailed the Tight Line Nymph Rig, Mono Rigs are effectively cast on a wide variety of rod actions, weights and price tags, try one of the competition fly lines now available, I’ve addressed many of them on Troutbitten, Trout Like To Do What Their Friends Are Doing, Distance: Know Your Weights and Measures — Part Two, http://stores.ebay.com/AMNESIA-FISHING-LINES, https://troutbitten.com/2017/08/09/lets-talk-tippet-three-questions-end-line-fly-fishing-rig/, https://troutbitten.com/2016/06/29/the-trouble-with-tenkara-and-why-you-dont-need-it/, http://tenkaratalk.com/2013/07/cortland-braided-mono-running-line-for-tenkara/, Troutbitten State of the Union — 2020 Wrap Up, VIDEO | Fly Fishing the Mono Rig: Streamers — Episode 1, Tight Line and Euro Nymphing — The Lift and Lead, Streamer Presentations — The Tight Line Dance, Fifty Fly Fishing Tips: #43 — Two Ways to Recover Slack, Get Short and Effective Drifts with Your Fly, Fly Casting — Five Tips For Better Mending, Lost Trout Are Your Fault — Streamer Fishing Myth v Truth, The Meat Eater Minority — Streamer Fishing Myth v Truth, Fifty Fly Fishing Tips: #21 — Fear No Snag, balance between weight of suspender and weight of flies, creating and using drag with the mono leader. Mar 18, 2020 | Nymphing, Tactics, The Mono Rig. Two nymphs can double your chances of fooling a trout. I keep coming back to Maxima Chameleon. In essence, the Mono Rig is a fly line substitute. A good drift should follow the drop. Then you have to mend it, and then you’re no longer in touch, resulting in bad strike detection and lousy hook sets. Plus it would save me money from gettin the centerpin rig seeing as I already have the fly rods and switch rod rigs. Sure thing, Mike. . (We are casting and not lobbing.). There, I said it. If you are cranking a reel handle after every cast to bring your offering back for the next cast, then you probably aren’t fly fishing. Yes of course, or I wouldn’t be fishing it. If I want to fish larger streamers, I swap out everything from the sighter down (using Loon’s Rigging Foam) for another smaller but stronger sighter and a tippet section of 2X. Thanks for the input, flyfishxprt. Email me, and I’ll tie one up for you for a few bucks. . So the errant cast that lands ten inches to the right of a shade line passes without interest. I found that the two best lines were Dai Riki shooting line and the running line portion of the old SA Mono Core fly line. These views address all seasons, all distances and many variations . Some like to start with a standard 9’, manufactured, extruded leader and build from that, while others like to tie their own leaders from scratch. . . Carrying extra spools or extra rods doesn’t work for me. Learn what angle the sighter eventually takes through the drift, and that’s the angle you should start with . Devin Olsen's formula is a versatile leader that can be used for both up and across and upstream presentations. This is absolutely true. Many of our competition fishermen are adding positive vibes. Don’t like it at all, really. Thanks for responding. Mar 5, 2020 | Fly Fishing Strategies, Nymphing, Tactics, The Mono Rig | 1 Comment. Regarding the power transfer point. Keep up the good work. Tips, tactics, stories and guide service from central Pennsylvania. . I love casting a floating line but once it lands I am constantly fighting it. Tie your own euro nymphing leader. It would be hard to argue against the idea that the fly line is pulling and not pushing when you look at it that way. (That’s fishing.) With apologies to all who have uttered these sentiments and given them useless ink, that is pure bullshit. Now here’s where I (and probably many mono rig evangelists) need some help…. I actually know a guy who has been doing this for years, i.e., using mono on his fly rods. In essence, it creates a system that is fighting itself: the push of a fly line and the pull of the weighted nymphs are what create the clumsy, clunky cast that nymph fishermen eventually try to get used to. He runs roughly four to five feet to a blood knot which connects to 4X for the last three to five feet and I have 20LB Hi-Vis mono by cortland http://tenkaratalk.com/2013/07/cortland-braided-mono-running-line-for-tenkara/ on hand that I wanted to put to use and was uncertain if this product would turn over flies like the Maxima product? Use it for fishing a tight-line style of indicators. I mainly fish the Esopus creek in upstate New York and I’m very excited to try and adapt my own technique to this rig. Try it out, and you may very well like going right from the butt section to a limp sighter and then tippet. And the easiest place to start is to know your distances. I seldom use indicators I like to do it by feel. The original purpose of fly line was to push wet flies to the destination because the flies were too light to get there on their own. .”, Feb 5, 2020 | Nymphing, Tactics, The Mono Rig, Tips | 25 Comments. It was a great line for fishing tight line with stonefly nymphs on the Big Hole and Madison. Hi, Walter. The part about sag makes good sense to me. More about those kinds of things is here: https://troutbitten.com/2018/09/30/fly-fishing-the-mono-rig-q-a-lines-rigging-and-the-skeptics/. It’s not lobbing. Some fly fishers will take a few steps back from this rig, drop their heads and shudder disapprovingly. Sometimes trout are feeding so aggressively that the particular intricacies of how nymphs are attached to the line seem like a trivial waste of time. they trail behind the fly line until turnover and at that point its exactly the same as a mono rig turning over at the rod tip. Question: How about a “Fluoro Rig”, as opposed to mono/maxima for the long butt? Love your site man. Wait until you feel the weight of the nymph or streamer behind you and then immediately start the forward cast. In fact, I use it for most everything except for dry flies. I have not read them all yet but will do so. These are first person accounts showing the thoughts, strategies and actions around particular situations on the river, putting the reader in the mind of the angler. Likewise, lightly weighted nymphs and streamers can be presented exceptionally well with a fly line (especially if they are swung across and downstream). If you are hung up on the idea of using mono, then try one of the competition fly lines now available. So, I don’t disagree, I simply look at it differently. In addition, the adjustable telescoping length of Tenkara seems like it would allow for greater flexibility in fishing across multiple currents with less drag and more depth control in varying levels of stream height. I make the cast (with the mono rig and no fly line), and I do my best to keep the line OFF the water, staying tight to the bobber when possible. Have you read Nymphing the New Way by White? To answer your question, I don’t spool up 60 feet of mono for one main reason … because I also like to switch to a standard leader and fish fly line. As far as the definition of fly fishing goes, I wouldn’t know because I’ve never used a real fly to fish with or have never fished for flys. And when I switch out leaders, I don’t want to roll up 60 feet of mono. The ‘Like’ count is growing in multitudes! . If it stopped or wiggled funny, the hook was set. One thing people tend to miss is that the Mono Rig allows you to still have a fly line style casting stroke. . I use 12 lb Chameleon for those! Ive been meaning to get a decent 4wt line rigged up so I can pull my mono rig off and quickly be throwing dries if the need arised and I didnt have my dry rod rigged up (very much in the vein of troutbitten.com 's rig). I should be using a spinning rod for this. Fly line is heavy, so it sags off the rod tip, and it sags in the guides, causing drag by pulling back on the leader and the flies, resulting in a bad and unnatural drift. Dry flies are also a natural match for fly line (they need to be pushed toward the target). Those rods need a heavier-than His rig consisted of simply tying straight 2X or 3X fluorocarbon (like Orvis Mirage) directly to the butt section from the fly line. Ran across your site about a year ago and have really enjoyed adopting and using the Mono Rig for nymphing. The more years you’ve spent casting fly line, the more awkward casting a Mono Rig might seem — but only for a short time. While tight line nymphing, I’d told Smith, an advanced angler can feel contact with the nymph on the rod tip. Use it for dry dropper or even straight dries. Seems like French nymphing to me (with some modifications). With the Mono Rig, the sag is almost entirely eliminated. One more thing: I don’t think I would start a new fly fisher off this way. Reading Water, Stories, Tactics, Walk Along. It’s all about weight. However, I don’t think it would be a good rig for casting and retrieving streamers, and I’m certain that it would not work for dries. I’ve written about all of them, and you can find details at these links. NO NO! Accuracy holds a complexity that is not for the faint of heart. I want that on a trout stream, especially on a small stream where I know I’m going to want to throw dries at some point. Now, he says, he doesn’t mess around with flies much any more. As a newbie should I wait to try the mono rig? Gary LaFontaine’s book ” Fly Fishing the Mountain Lakes ” describes ‘ floss blow line ‘ fishing using flat unwaxed dental floss when it’s windy and the lake surface is choppy. This is a ray of sunshine cause fly line does suck. Drop. The Sucker Spawn is a go-to egg pattern for fly fishermen. Good question. Leave the line on the reel, is my recommendation — just like you see in cover photo above. (if you do just delete my comment, no sweat) it’s about casting in the ‘traditional’ sense and fly lines pushing flies towards the target. Accuracy. The mono rig really interests me, I feel like it would solve most of my issues when tightlining. The video also covers the Troutbitten Mono Rig and the functions of its three main components. Wrap them up on an old Maxima spool. It’s all in there. It makes a lot of sense and addresses some of the concerns I have had this season regarding traditional nymphing. Have you ever fished a centerpin setup? But I like my fly rod better, it’s just that if I can’t catch them on a dry/dropper I don’t feel like there’s too many other options. And use it for streamers, both big and small. Allow yourself time to adjust to the new distance. But there are downsides. When I first saw the Mono Rig used for tight line nymphing, I was intrigued. So, gather data toward those questions, and then branch off from there. Why not just go: 24 feet — 20 lb Maxima Chameleon Tippet Ring 14″ — 1x Rio Two Tone Tippet Material Tippet Ring Fluro and flies. A decade ago, when I first saw this rig, I remember being absolutely amazed by the simple, obvious principles that make it work. With streamers, no need for a swivel in line? Remember, the nymph is always being pulled along by a fishing line. Some of those resources are linked to in our recent articles. This increases your ability to feel when a trout takes your fly which is more heavily weighted. “But if strike detection is mostly visual, what part of this is feel?”, Smith had asked a question that I’d never fully considered. And they work best together . I remember going into the local Orvis shop and the guy described a bobber/beadhead/split shot rig and I thought are you kidding me? The benefit of using thick... See more of Troutbitten on Facebook Yup, the rig we use is similar to a bounce rig in some ways. The short answer is that I like the versatility of the fly rod, and I enjoy using it. “And if you’re waiting for some some kind of tug or tap, you’re missing a lot of strikes.”, Dec 8, 2019 | Nymphing, Tactics, The Mono Rig | 32 Comments. I haven’t, so I can’t confidently speak to the advantages or disadvantages. I also like to use 2x or greater when fishing streamers. There are specific challenges to be overcome: line coils must be handled, retrieves must be adapted, etc. There are certainly times, though, where I switch to a regular length leader and let the fly line do the work of pushing the dry out there to get the distance. With most thicker material, I’ve had more coiling problems than I want to deal with. Dom, thanks for the advice. I just trim the butt section back to comply with that reg. Is the Mono Rig legal within Pennsylvania’s fly fishing regulations? 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