I still have the large spool of it. By the way I’d say I’ve caught at least 90% of my trout on a dry/dropper. This is absolutely true. Can you give some details on how you use this setup for streamer fishing… I currently am using this setup for Nymphing but also like to streamer fish…. There, I said it. The above formula is where I am as of Fall 2019. But there are downsides. And if so, what are you using? I built a leader using your specs, and I have serious issues with coiling. Most anglers Euro nymph with a long, light rod. If you have a fast rod you might have a problem with breaking tippet though. It’s not for everyone, but it certainly has its benefits. However, in some cases, I cut out the 1X Rio sighter and go back to using the Amnesia and Gold Stren sections as my sighter (when casting indicators on a tight line at distance, for example). The Perdigon nymph: Don't call it a pellet fly | Hatch Magazine - Fly Fishing, etc. Keep up the good work! You started something good….and we like it. Regarding the power transfer point. in fact, as you wrote above, casting-wise there’s no real difference between casting a mono leader or a fly line because the physics are the same. I’d also suggest giving tight lining a try if you’re feeling ambitious. Devin Olsen's formula is a versatile leader that can be used for both up and across and upstream presentations. However, I can’t wrap my head around why the power transfer would be better with the taper. If it’s significantly thinner than a regular fly line, then line sag and fly drag will be greatly reduced. . Let me know how it goes. Spin fishing relies on the weight of a lure to pull line from a spool and carry it to a target. Mr. Brady was firm in his opinions and intransigent in his views as his thought was that a man with an argument could hold no sway over a man with an experience. Question for those of us who don’t tie their own leaders… is there a mono rig I can purchase or should I just learn a few knots and tie my own up ? I use the mono rig a lot. The best days start by learning what most trout in the river are doing. Yeah I’ll eventually put that post together. . (All the Mono Rig articles are found HERE.). I think most of it was due to fact I was catching more fish than my “Halfordized” fishing buddies. “Did you feel those strikes, or did you set the hook because the sighter twitched?” Smith asked . The mono rig really interests me, I feel like it would solve most of my issues when tightlining. And more trout eat the fly . All fishing casts happen because of weight. Stay close and fish some heavy nymphs for a long time to develop that skill. What “flies” actually are is pretty blurry these days; beads, coneheads, molded heads and rubber fins on streamers are ubiquitous. That way, only my tippet section is under water — no taper. Your results and preferences may end up to be different. when I’ve used fluoro for long butt sections, I have never liked how it handles. Gather data toward those questions, and then branch off from there. And while this is also one of the most common questions I’ve fielded through the years, it has a complex answer that I’ve never tackled in an article. Troutbitten also suggests using the mono rig to fish streamers even with long casts. Domenick, I switched to your system last year and love using it. First it was used on bamboo flyrods with flies, bait and lures interchangably. If you’ve only fished smaller nymphs on the mono rig, try going to heavy nymphs. And these two qualities determine a leader’s turnover power and the amount of potential drag . Mar 18, 2020 | Nymphing, Tactics, The Mono Rig. Are there videos that show the mono rig being cast? When it comes to attractor nymphs, the CDC PT is one of the best. https://troutbitten.com/2017/08/09/lets-talk-tippet-three-questions-end-line-fly-fishing-rig/, But I get your point too. But indicator fishing, dry dropper and streamer fishing are both dramatically improved by fishing with the long leader. Adding a taper helps transfer casting power better — and that’s where accuracy starts. Most long liners tweak their leader formulas through the years, adapting to their own goals. There are a handful of FFO waters (Fly Fishing Only) that restrict leader length to 18 feet. . More about those kinds of things is here: https://troutbitten.com/2018/09/30/fly-fishing-the-mono-rig-q-a-lines-rigging-and-the-skeptics/. Cheers. i hope that makes sense? But if we constantly set at the end of the fall, the nymph never has the chance to drift, and the trout don’t get an opportunity to eat on anything but the drop. For me, that’s about 24 feet of butt section, then the rest of my leader. There’s something very special about casting dries on a fly line that should not be missed. Thanks for the reply. This because the line will coil less coming off the reel. All of these elements are intertwined. That’s simply not true. The only time I experience line twist is with Harvey Wets at night. The taper does transfer the power better. It has changed the way I fish and increased my success rate tenfold. One more thing: I don’t think I would start a new fly fisher off this way. Hope that helps. Thanks for the question. And these variations complete the set of techniques that I refer to as the Mono Rig. It’s an elementary casting principle, but it’s the hardest thing to deliver. In my mind, fly fishing is defined in two parts: using flies, and retrieving by hand. we’re just doing slight variants of the same casting stroke. We fish at all angles, with all weight of flies, split shot, dry dropper, indicators, streamers and more. Keep in touch. A large arbor reel helps. Whatever spool it’s stored on, it peels off in roughly the same diameter as that housing. Some fly fishers will take a few steps back from this rig, drop their heads and shudder disapprovingly. I found no advantage to using it. Like anything else in fishing, there are untold numbers of intricacies, adaptation, and points to be made about this rig. Both of those objections, thought are a consequence of the book being intended more for a European audience, I suppose, and I get that. Feb 9, 2020 | Nymphing, Tactics, The Mono Rig, Tips | 9 Comments. With no back cast room I still would choose a suitable line for spey&roll casts. You asked, so I gave my opinion there, but I always encourage people to try whatever you want. While I recommend considering a specialized nymphing lineif you’re just getting started, a full mono rig provides many benefits and is a good choice for a number of anglers when using tight-line techniques. I used to be crazy about trying to think of what real deal traditional fly fishing really is, now I just keep it simple and fish without bobbers! This is my home, and I love it. Lots of different ways to do this stuff, but that’s mine. He taught me to hold the rod with the index finger on top instead of the thumb on top (the finger points to the rod tip). The weight needed for the cast is already there — it’s in the weighted nymph, split shot, or the indicator itself — and using fly line for the cast simply adds more weight. I fish for wild brown trout in the cool limestone waters of Central Pennsylvania year round. And advanced angling starts by being aware of the stats. Mar 11, 2020 | Night Fishing, Nymphing, Tactics, The Mono Rig, Tips | 4 Comments. Looking forward to your future post describing your technique. . Great site, great info, and great articles. One thing people tend to miss is that the Mono Rig allows you to still have a fly line style casting stroke. I’ve been Euro nymphing for years before I even knew it had a name. I love that there’s always new things to learn and ways to improve. Yes, I recently finished Nymphing the New Way. I’m partial to a 10’ 3wt, though anything long and light will work. It’s very sensitive and there’s no coiling and I can usually feel the strike before I see it. He just started doing it as an expedient, and because it was a helluva lot cheaper than fly line. I want that on a trout stream, especially on a small stream where I know I’m going to want to throw dries at some point. His rig consisted of simply tying straight 2X or 3X fluorocarbon (like Orvis Mirage) directly to the butt section from the fly line. Question: How about a “Fluoro Rig”, as opposed to mono/maxima for the long butt? Looking forward to more. Fun stuff, huh? What you see demonstrated in many videos at at clinics is too often a lobbing approach. Ran across your site about a year ago and have really enjoyed adopting and using the Mono Rig for nymphing. Thanks ! My first was 20-25# Cortland Cobra mono (flat) like Humphreys and a light, long tippet (think Humpreys used manufactured tapered leader on his) . The sighter helps with that. I keep coming back to Maxima Chameleon. He had a fly rod and reel and needed to make it work. Dec 1, 2019 | Nymphing, Tactics, The Mono Rig | 8 Comments. We’re told to feel the nymph tick, tick, tick across the rocks, and then set the hook when a trout eats. So the 33-foot 10-inch mono rig leader shown on troutbitten would be legal if tied to a fly line, under the catch and release fly-fishing only regelation, but then IMO you would just be spin fishing with a fly rod and a fly. Hi, Walter. I love casting a floating line but once it lands I am constantly fighting it. It matters. And they work best together . Maybe you are already doing this: I attach the bobber to the top of my tippet section, and I adjust it up or down there as conditions dictate. I landed two trout and missed another . I’d agree that it’s not as technical as Dynamic Nymphing. Ideas change, and the better ones usually prevail. Many variations are used today. Though extremely effective, I eventually gave it up for greater versatility. What is the middle part of the leader formula above (2 feet — 10lb Maxima Chameleon, 12” — 12lb Red Amnesia, 12” — 10lb Gold Stren) doing that the 20lb Chameleon and 1x Rio Two Tone can’t do? . The ultra green is softer and the chameleon is stiffer. Use materials that you can see well for the sighter section. Thanks, Don. I actually know a guy who has been doing this for years, i.e., using mono on his fly rods. I’ve written about it extensively on Troutbitten , and in one trip I can show you all the variations of the Mono Rig. . I’m qualifying my proposition here by saying the long Mono Rig is better for almost all underwater presentation — just to leave the door open a bit, and because taking away fly line is shocking to some and appalling to others.The same principles that make the Mono Rig so effective for tight line nymphing make it just as deadly for all other presentations of nymphs and streamers (for trout in rivers and streams), including nymphing under an indicator, and fishing large streamers at distance. For years, I had fished indicators and dry-droppers fairly close on a tight line rig, and I routinely fished smaller streamers on the end of my line instead of nymphs. But you may not like that. Join Troutbitten and follow along. I enjoy fishing the long Mono Rig because it presents me with more options for greater control over where my flies go and what they look like to the fish. Very rarely do I fish at long distances. Likewise, lightly weighted nymphs and streamers can be presented exceptionally well with a fly line (especially if they are swung across and downstream). Sorry I missed your reply for a while. Now I do. But Smith had also drawn out of me one thing that I’d never fully put into words before explaining it to him. Who cares? The strength of the Mono Rig is how it performs very much like a fly line and yet sags so much less. I’ve used the line, but I prefer mono. French nymphing — tight line at distance, upstream with light flies — is part of the Mono Rig system. However, you get to enjoy the benefits of the fly rod, hand lining, and line pickup and recast without a full retrieval. For the last five years, I’ve written Troutbitten articles that describe a tight line fly fishing system called the Mono Rig. (All the Mono Rig articles are found HERE. I’m not sure what you are using for the butt section. It’s what long-term anglers love about this game. “But if strike detection is mostly visual, what part of this is feel?”, Smith had asked a question that I’d never fully considered. I change leaders a good bit, really, especially during hatch season. Keystone Fly Fishing Guide Book Purchase here to support Troutbitten. Tight Line Nymphing — How Much of this is Feel? I wrote this article in the winter of 2016, and it immediately caught fire, provoking much conversation and even some intense controversy (which seems kinda silly). They are much thinner and lighter than an average fly line and can come close to the performance of mono. For all but the most lengthy casts, the fly line never comes off the reel, and the thick monofilament butt section essentially substitutes for fly line while casting, drifting and retrieving — it just weighs a lot less. These views address all seasons, all distances and many variations . Refining these tactics is the natural progression of anglers who fish hard, are thoughtful about the tactics and don’t like limitations. Tuck. But I don’t like that at all. Use it for fishing a tight-line style of indicators. We aren’t trying to get MAXIMUM power from the but section. The Mono Rig works. . Nothing is more important than the leader. they trail behind the fly line until turnover and at that point its exactly the same as a mono rig turning over at the rod tip. Great blog! Tight Line Nymphing — Strike Detection is Visual. In the next few weeks I’ll probably write a little more about using the mono rig for indicators and streamers, but the best thing to do is just go out there and start casting. Thanks for responding. I’ve addressed many of them on Troutbitten, and I’ll continue to add posts about the Mono Rig. The long Mono Rig, however, is certainly not a Troutbitten creation. Fly fishing for wild trout. Remember, the nymph is always being pulled along by a fishing line. . Now I have to defend it. Thanks Btw been watching Devin and Lance’s video, really well done and super informative. So, gather data toward those questions, and then branch off from there. Yeah, you could take the sighter out, but I wouldn’t recommend it. You’ll notice that the casting stroke is the same, but you just have to wait longer between motions. Another common reaction to this rig is, “Why not just use a spinning rod?” That’s fair too. . Making adjustments is the key to consistent fly fishing. Fly Casting, Fly Fishing Strategies, Tactics. . Accuracy holds a complexity that is not for the faint of heart. Spin fishing is spin fishing whether there’s a spinner on the line or not. Those things are fine, chuck and duck and lobbing, but that’s not really what the Mono Rig is about. “I may just need to tinker in order to understand.”. There’s nothing all that tricky about it. I’m a husband and father whose fishing time isn’t what it used to be, so when I get to be on the water I’d rather maximize the time with trusted methods, than waste the time tinkering too much. Good question. The best days start by learning what most trout in the river are doing. NO NO! One question about the leader. So, I don’t disagree, I simply look at it differently. Lead. by Domenick Swentosky | Feb 3, 2016 | 97 comments, Read the Troutbitten Article | Buy the Staff. Thank you for this site. A good combination is a a marabou jig for an anchor fly and a nymph dropper. I straightened the entire leader when I built it then reeled it up on my reel. I don’t really see much similarity to the Mono Rig. Dry flies are also a natural match for fly line (they need to be pushed toward the target). Yes, it works. The leader should be tight, from the water’s surface to the rod tip, in a leading angle almost immediately. One thought keeps coming up as I read through this post, and perhaps it is a topic worth addressing in another post: Would Tenkara style lend itself well to tight line nymphing? Because fishing a contact system like the Mono Rig eventually teaches you all that is possible . I think of the Mono Rig as not just a tight line nymphing setup, but a full system where I use the long leader for tight lining, for suspender (indicator) fishing and for streamers. So my advice is to learn to nymph with heavier weight before trying to sling the Mono Rig around with streamers. At the heart of the puzzle is an eternal question: What do the trout want? Ed Shenk’s white minnow is a great fly to have a point of site and see what’s going on with the flies on his rig. looking forward to more of your good stuff. I haven’t, so I can’t confidently speak to the advantages or disadvantages. No I didn’t, but you and John have me fired up to do just that. Thicker than mono but handled very well and didn’t cut into your fingers as readily. I should be using a spinning rod for this. Just now ran across your blog and this post. I’ve played with it but not successfully and I’m curious if someone more proficient would have more success. The middle part of the Mono Rig as listed above does a few things: The middle parts are thinner than the butt section — so they sag less. What my Troutbitten friends and I call the Mono Rig is a full system for both tight line and indicator nymphing styles, and for streamers, dry-dropper and dry flies, all while using #20 monofilament as a fly line substitute. Robert, I don’t see a video in the near future, but there are a ton of great resources on the web for learning to nymph with a tight line method. Eventually, that fly line pushes the leader forward, but (most importantly) pushes a dry fly to the end. A full demonstration of how to tie a nymph leader for fly fishing. I never considered this kind of rig for casting&stripping streamers. This is a ray of sunshine cause fly line does suck. But is fly fishing fly fishing with no fly line? I switched from spinning to fly fishing about 3 years ago but every technique I’ve tried for nymph fishing on the bottom basically sucks in my opinion. Two nymphs can double your chances of fooling a trout. Allow me give back: in your recipe, the link to the two-tone to leads to the tippet rings. Great blog, Walter. I mainly fish the Esopus creek in upstate New York and I’m very excited to try and adapt my own technique to this rig. https://troutbitten.com/2016/06/29/the-trouble-with-tenkara-and-why-you-dont-need-it/. However, I don’t think it would be a good rig for casting and retrieving streamers, and I’m certain that it would not work for dries. When casting weight I find it best to still keep the casting stroke crisp and forceful with hard stops. I’ve fielded hundreds of questions about the Mono Rig, but I’ll quickly address these two: No. It’s up to you. Here in CT there are anglers that have been fishing this method for a long time and the accompanying images of rather large fish are proof positive and astounding! Namely, that contact is felt as much as it’s seen. But if you’re having success on a tight line for a few seasons now, you’re probably already incorporating some of this without knowing it. . ** Find all Troutbitten articles about the Mono Rig here **, Enjoy the day Domenick Swentosky T R O U T B I T T E N domenick@troutbitten.com. Rather, it’s about slipping in and out of contact with the fly on a small scale — staying somewhere between tightline and slackline — … That saves me a ton of headache. Angler Types in Profile Big Trout Commentary Dry Fly Fishing Fly Fishing StrategiesGear Reviews Night FishingNymphing Stories Streamers Tactics Troutbitten Fly Box, Gear Review Policy Terms and conditonsPrivacy PolicyAffiliate Link DisclosureAmazon Affiliate Disclaimer, Gear Review Policy Terms and conditons Privacy Policy Affiliate Link Disclosure Amazon Affiliate Disclaimer. Jason, Hi Domenick, I am transitioning to a nymphing technique similar to yours. Ultimately, it’s the 20′ of straight mono that’s the focus of this rig. By contrast, with a Mono Rig, long lengths of leader can be held off the water at some pretty remarkable distances. I actually made a dry fly leader by stepping down cheap braided line (150lb,100lb,65lb,30lb,20lb) and so far I like it better than mono. But you also need something that doesn’t hold a coil much. I think it is an easier read than Dynamic Nymphing but not as technical. Hi Domenick, Great post! It’s stiffer, and I like stiffness in the butt section, butt fluoro tends to coil for me when stored on the reel. There are specific challenges to be overcome: line coils must be handled, retrieves must be adapted, etc. In essence, the Mono Rig is a fly line substitute. Am I correct in saying that I can remove the 24″ of sighter out of the equation and find the right indicator for the job? Burke often says that fly line is the biggest detriment to fly fishers, and it was Burke who took our tight line system and started fishing indicator rigs and streamers with it. Most underwater deliveries require weight, and using a very long, monofilament leader to cast that weight is more efficient than using fly line; it keeps you in better contact with the flies, and you’ll catch more fish. Together, we’ve explored the possibilities and adapted it to other presentations. .”, Feb 5, 2020 | Nymphing, Tactics, The Mono Rig, Tips | 25 Comments. Why not use the tight line tools (leaders and tactics) for more than just euro nymphing? After the nymph falls into position, we want it to spend some time there. He runs roughly four to five feet to a blood knot which connects to 4X for the last three to five feet and But then again you have to use heavier set up…. There are certainly times, though, where I switch to a regular length leader and let the fly line do the work of pushing the dry out there to get the distance. More often than not, though, trout make us work to catch them. The rig I use for nymphing is listed below. Smith set up over my right shoulder and watched for a while, quietly examining my backhand drifts and spitting sunflower seed shells on the water. In collaboration with Wilds Media, the long-awaited Troutbitten video series featuring Streamers on the Mono Rig begins today. Be part of the Troutbitten community of ideas. Just because we get into the technical aspects of nymph fishing gear, doesn’t mean you need to rush out and buy a specialized rod to perform the nymphing techniques covered in this series. Remember, fly line sucks. This article is part of the Walk Along series. Chapter 1 – What is Nymph Fishing Chapter 2 – Nymph fishing history Chapter 3 – The Nymphs Life Cycle Chapter 4 – Nymphing Techniques (euro, mono, bobber, tight line) Chapter 5 – Nymphing Rig, Rod and Gear Chapter 6 These are four distinct species with quite different behaviors, physical appearance, environmental preferences and fighting abilities. Much of my fishing is nymphing but just this year I started having success with dry flies. And learn to accurately judge the distance you are casting. It’s also heavier per diameter than nylon. This line memory — this line coiling — is a problem. Many of our competition fishermen are adding positive vibes. It’s still castable like a fly line because it has enough mass to carry itself and some lightweight flies to the water, but it’s light enough not to sag too much. And use it for streamers, both big and small. And as you know, we throw big articulated streamers on the same rig. I recently tied on a size 10 weighted streamer on my 10′ 4wt and my casting suffered. It has a balsa wood body with a feather tail. We use the Mono Rig for presenting all flies: nymphs, streamers and dries. Hi, Bob. It does make sense thanks. We are truly casting the Mono Rig. You’ll see that the weight carries the leader to the target, just like spin casting. When you don’t have the mass of the fly line to keep the feel and control it is mutch more possible to have that heavy streamer as an earing:) I think that 4/5wt 10′ would offer more swing feel than 6..8wt would. Just take the wrist out of the cast at first. I would use 10′ or longer rod for this (11′ light&fast switch maybe?). You can also nymph with a spinning rod. I have tried using about 20 feet before but I had problems with the mono get stuck under my fly line but when I’m nymphing I will add like 5 or 6 feet of tippet on to get down and reduce drag. Something to think about next time out. Have you tried giving up on fly line altogether? I just hate rigging the nymphs and that style with all the wading destroys my sore knees… When ever it is possible I dead drift large streamers for big trout in that kind of way. Ive been meaning to get a decent 4wt line rigged up so I can pull my mono rig off and quickly be throwing dries if the need arised and I didnt have my dry rod rigged up (very much in the vein of troutbitten.com 's rig). Episode One is an overview of the tactics and an exploration of what is possible when fishing streamers with tight line tactics. If you can’t reach it, then I would try tight lining the bobber. i understand your push/pull analogy but i can’t really see it that way but that’s more than ok thanks a bunch for the kind words regarding TLC, that means a lot. Your email address will not be published. Again, Chameleon, and some others, fit that bill. Not been long ago that an Amy’s Ant and many of the foam beetles popular today would have been illegal to use in many strictly regulated US trout streams. It’s not about a perfect tight line with the rig. Humphreys used Cortland Cobra flat monofilament in place of fly line, eliminating drag and getting nymphs and streamers deep while maintaining contact and control. Its soft texture absorbs some of the bumps and ticks of the weight as it’s in contact with the riverbed. Pause slightly for the fly to drop. (We are casting and not lobbing.). . Will mono work with a smaller 7.5 foot rod? I have 20LB Hi-Vis mono by cortland http://tenkaratalk.com/2013/07/cortland-braided-mono-running-line-for-tenkara/ on hand that I wanted to put to use and was uncertain if this product would turn over flies like the Maxima product? The #20 monofilament used for the Mono Rig functions somewhere in between those extremes. On behalf of all the guys out there like me, let me say “thank you” for helping us make the most of the time! The biggest misconception in nymphing is that our flies should bump along the bottom. Do you have that trouble? yup, fun indeed ! hi Domenick, first off i’d like to say that i thoroughly enjoy your posts and i’m super-glad i discovered your blog. It is NOT lobbing. The path is more predictable. I could have stated it better. Does anything about these conditions make you think it wouldn’t work well? Focus . . 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