She quit her job and spent the money he earned on MLM. So it’s enticing to think that if you can come up with a downpayment to get into a business where you can sell a good or service to others you can bring yourself up and that’s what a MLM is promoting. In the comments beside the broadcast, it appears she [also a Thrive promoter] has told Shan’ann she can’t go Live with her, ask Josh. Chris Watts Stoic During His Arrest – just like Scott Peterson, WTF? Authorities are still gathering information about what may have caused the rift between Shanann and her husband. Is THIS Casey Anthony’s motive, timestamped, in her own words? She had previously joined Amway, Thirty One, Younique, ItWorks!, and those are just the ones I know of. So was she earning $80 000 in sales per year, commissions, was that her total income? I think he beat her before strangulation. Is Henri van Breda’s motive “a culmination of a festering of a perceived injustice”? Once created, energy can not be destroyed. Chris did not take that creepy doll photo she did! a minimum of 90% of representatives have left the company. (Deceptive, exploitative and fraudulent behaviour – but MLMs deserve all they get ! ) It sells false promises and ruins people in virtually every way you can be ruined. Most do not. We are energy. This is my theory on what happened in the early hours of August 13th. The stress of it! Chris Watts 2012 Speech on Communication Speech, Relationship Deterioration and Repair, Chris Watts grew up somewhere on this road on the outskirts of Spring Lake, North Carolina, Chris Watts’ “photographic memory” provides a unique window into his mind, and his psychology, Chris Watts: Voted most likely to succeed in the Class of 2003. One definition of Magical Thinking reads: Magical thinking is the belief that one’s own thoughts, wishes, or desires can influence the external world. While he’s on Shan’ann holds up a box, tells him how … I used credit cards as an illustration of that fact. She went on to note … She had worked for the company since January 2016 and had been a highly successful brand promoter, rising to the 80K level. And still thrivin’. The listed ingredients in the basic Thrive patches include ForsLean (the commercial name for the herb Coleus forskohlii), green coffee bean extract, garcinia cambogia, coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10), … What did Chris Watts HATE about Shan’ann? What sentence will Oscar Pistorius receive next month? And then one tries to strengthen the theory with more and more evidence from a case, and also what resonates from one’s own experiences. Pingback: Shan’ann Watts: MLM & Magical Thinking – just how bad was it? Crime Time is your destination for true crime stories from around the world, breaking crime news, and information about Oxygen's original true crime shows and documentaries. It seems like a pyramid … It’s a sort of brain fart where people wake up one day and just because they’re told they can have anything they wish for, they think they can. The confessed killer was a regular user of Thrive, a weight-loss supplement that promises to help boost energy and increase overall health through patches, pills and shakes. Rohde Crime Scene Schematic: What else are we missing? A: Shannan. But maybe you didn’t, maybe not everyone’s a victim. Chris took the photo and sent it to Shan’ann. Until economic policies (access to affordable healthcare, childcare, education, and living wage jobs) are developed to provide sustainable opportunities and consumer protections for the many, these companies will continue to flourish, because they ultimately profit from desperation. He is a covert narcissist-psychopath, the proverbial wolf in sheep’s clothing – a complete fraud to the core. But it's important to note, as the Wall Street Journal does, that claims in relation to patches and weight loss are hard to prove. Unlike other developed countries we have no or very little access to affordable healthcare and education, both of which provide stability and enable social and economic mobility. | MemePosts, Shan’ann Watts tells her husband: “I don’t want a video of you…” while recording her children. | MemePosts. If you’re an actor, yes, maybe. If this case goes to trial, Thrive should be identified as an “accessory” to this crime. That is what Shannan contrived to give her something to post, remember that she had Chris’ phone for selling for his thrive business. ", [Photos: Weld County District Attorney’s Office, Associated Press]. Wrong blog page but thought you’d be more likely to see this here. I was not contributing financially to the marital funds because everything I sold I put right back into the product. Reports stated that Chris made $62,000 a year before taxes working for Andarko (gas company) and that Shanann had rose to the top of her pyramid scheme based business “Thrive” and was making over $80,000 a year: BUT the fact is that she was only making $32,000 a year as an independent sales rep for “Thrive… Well for starters, I am positive that Le-vel Thrive is NOT an outright scam.. The other factor is of course her husband, Chris Watts. According to her LinkedIn profile, Watts has been a Thrive distributor for almost 3 years. Guessing it might interest you Nick, when you’re updating your book on the disposal site. ANALYSIS, WATCH: Henri van Breda’s application for leave to appeal. Because no doubt the college educated were applying for a $15 an hour job and why shouldn’t the company try and get a sales clerk with a college degree. MLM’s are perceived by some as “get rich quick” opportunities, and those have been around since way before any of us were born. Then there was the bun in the oven costume with Chris decked out as a bun maker???. [WATCH]. Old Ploy, New Game: How the McCanns are using PR [again] to influence a legal outcome that affects THEM, #Shakedown Unleashes on Sunday Night, Part 1, #Shakedown Unleashes on Sunday Night, Part 2, #Shakedown Unleashes on Sunday Night, Part 3, The Prodigal Nanny Returns – #Shakedown McCann Podcast #1, #Shakedown Discusses DOUBT The Madeleine McCann Mystery with Ed Opperman. If you haven’t seen it, I’d highly recommend doing so—a great study of this type of behavior. Or training seminars. It would be nearly impossible the way the doll was wrapped and even propped afterwards. I’d like to see more people in true crime thinking for themselves and building ideas than nitpicking on one element of someone else’s idea. I wonder…. 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I would if I were broke and no career to fall back on with 2-3 kids looking at me. Q: Who was the one in the relationship that posted pictures every day? Tens of thousands on social media are interpreting this case not on merit, but through their own investments in MLM. Perhaps ex-Thrivers can comment anonymously below on how the dollars and cents add up – or don’t add up. Multilevel marketing is using a different system. But she’s abundantly clear that her family is Thrive, her lifestyle is Thrive, her philosophy is Thrive and her savior is Thrive. Has Judge Greenland Become Persona Non Grata? “Nobody knows Stephen Paddock’s motive 6 months after Las Vegas.” Really? I was still under the belief after I quit that if i had only done this or that, etc. Couple these challenges with lack of decent living wage jobs with benefits and affordable housing. How much money is being lost? No. My one issue here is that Shanann was on MLM number five or so? And if you do your pyramid could crumble at any time. Agreed. Shan’ann Watts died Intestate – Is A Court Battle Looming in Probate Court over Life Insurance? Rohde Trial: The 1 Factor that determines murder or suicide, The #1 Reason Susan Rohde DIDN’T kill herself, According to Brendan Miller, Susan Rohde was “calm” shortly before her death. It was not a shock to Shan’ann that she and Chris were separating. Because my husband and I didn’t until the very end, 6 years , and even then he was shocked when I announced I had had enough. MLMs are predatory. 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I did the right thing – I gave up – finally, and I also returned most of my product for a refund. Is that a lot when divided by a team of roughly four, or was it more than four? Yet people keep maxing them out and getting new ones because “it will help your credit score.” If you are late one payment your introductory rate of 8% jumps to 22.9%. I thought I was going to choke, but I didn’t. The THRIVE Experience is a premium lifestyle system, to help you experience peak physical and mental levels. She talks about still being affected by issues of childhood. Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. [ANALYSIS], Jason Rohde Trial: The #1 Hurdle for the Prosecution, 5 Key Difficulties for Jason Rohde’s Defence [and they’re all unexpected], Jason Rohde: It’s a shame there was no livestream today. By year 10, only those at or near the top have not dropped out – making it safe to say at least. There’s research that shows a prescribed pattern of dropping out and destruction. What do the stats say? It takes a while to absorb and understand it. After the Wattses filed for bankruptcy in 2015, Shanann started working for Le-Vel, a multi-level marketing company that sells health supplements and weight loss patches under the brand name Thrive. Pity I can’t post the 3rd book cover here. I see Chris’ eyes are black. Classic missing the wood for the trees. Right? True Crime, Why Journalists Must Remain Neutral, and What It Means. Where were you when Madeleine was reported Missing? Shanann Watts was live in Facebook Live video called “12 Days of Christmas Sale – Liquid touch foundation” on November 27, 2016 at 9:23 PM. People like them thrive (no pun intended) in our social Media-obsessed society. It is a legitimate MLM … Obviously, I’m still alive, but I learned to watch what he did versus what he said: nice guy on the surface (others referred to him as golden) but harbored resentment underneath. a minimum of 50% of representatives drop-out. 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Rohde Trial: Can a body bruise after it has died, even one prone to bruising? That about sums up their whole life together- finances, relationship, future until the tragic & violent end. A: Well, we’re talking millions of people. It’s costing the US economy tens of billions. It did not look lived in, but like a model home, it seemed cold and had no personality. Credit cards are scams. Forget the friends and the fake lifestyle as that is the real motivator in this case it seems (so sad!!) At the time, Shanann had been doing Le-Vel 1 year. She had him open a Thrive account so she could put his (really her) sales as her direct downline. Before she can scream or even run for help, probably in a shaking state of total shock, Chris is already behind her and unleashes a psychopathic rage and hatred that rivals those under demonic influence/possession. Chris hated Shan’ann with a passion and with absolute rage. Not just a brand new car, a diamond bracelet and an expensive coat, but a path to making it. Sorry but I have to tell you that he didn’t post that picture at all. Sucks don’t it? She told police he typically wore the patches on his left and right bicep and tricep area and on his lower back - something the product's makers might even describe as overkill, as they recommend wearing only one patch a day. Let me make something clear, when you are approached it is by someone who has gained your trust – might be a family member, it could be someone from a Bible study class, or another school teacher, or someone who is successful in their chosen profession. How and Why I chose Van Gogh as a True Crime Investigation, Maddening Money Matters – Excerpt from The Murder of Vincent van Gogh, Vincent van Gogh’s letter to Theo, January 1882, outlining his rows with ‘Pa’ and ‘Ma’. ( admittedly, the Watts overreached with the mausoleum mansion), and you have people turning to MLMs that offer a fantasy income and lifestyle—all cruelly and callously predicated on the lie of self-determination—if you work hard you will succeed, you will thrive. Maybe I’ll give it a try. Not buying it for a second. Overall, I see the Watts’s lives unraveling in the larger context of these economic cravasses that aren’t solely accountable for the Watts’s tragic demise but are certainly complicit in it. First, let me state for the record that there is no way a pregnant, loving mother, who just got home from a business trip, would strangle her two children. He killed beautiful Bella and CeCe before he was seen by a neighbor grilling steak on his back deck. I think MLM was a big factor in this case. “Prior to Shanann starting with Thrive, she and Chris struggled some, financially,” police wrote in the documents, referencing comments made by a friend of the couple. They can create a fool-proof persona, hide behind a beautiful wife and family, share-share-share on social media and blend in until the right stressors and triggers present themselves. It is common in very young children. I try very hard to communicate in a systematic way that doesn’t send out mixed messages, especially because the criminal aspect is so murky. What we can say is no matter how successful Shan’ann was or how wonderful Thrive products are, the Watts family were in serious financial difficulty when the murders happened. She was also following dozens of lupus-themed accounts. An Oscar for the Great Pretender [WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC IMAGES], “Be brave…make your voice heard, your physical you seen and the presence of your mental you felt.” – Reeva Steenkamp [WARNING GRAPHIC CRIME SCENE PHOTOS], Oscar Pistorius Sentencing July 6 [LIVE COVERAGE], Oscar Pistorius Sentencing Hearing: Day 2 [LIVE COVERAGE], Oscar Pistorius Sentencing Hearing: Day 3. Dr OZ gets into shit for promoting the shit that’s in THRIVE, Shan’ann Watts’ Facebook Profile is still Public – and what it could mean. She lied about her and her children having illnesses, she lied about her in laws and made drama up out of every slight she perceived by them. One thing I notice about her videos is she is passive aggressive. Anyway, this thread is supposed to be dedicated to magical thinking as per MLMs, but I certainly understand how it can extend to misconceptions regarding one’s mate. She spent 6 weeks visiting family in North Carolina with her kids. In the August 21 interview, conducted by phone with Colorado Bureau of Investigation Agent Kevin Koback, Kessinger discusses Watts’s use of Thrive, a nutritional supplement patch that Shanann … It’s like a virus and a cult built into one. Friends said she won several vacations through the company, which also paid for her Lexus. “She said she did not know. UPDATED. Once you agree to come in to these companies you want to make it work. I agree, Nick. [DISCUSS]. #JonBenet, How John Ramsey Continues to Perpetrate a Fraud Upon the Public, Excerpt from The Craven Silence #JonBenetRamsey, Excerpt from The Craven Silence 2 #JonBenetRamsey, Excerpt from The Craven Silence 3 #JonBenetRamsey, The Reviews are in for The Craven Silence Trilogy, An Excerpt from sequin star #JonBenetRamsey, Excerpt #2 from sequin star #JonBenetRamsey, BREAKING: John Ramsey Secretly Files Civil Suit Against CBS, The Changing Stories of John Ramsey, Part 1 [SoundCloud], The Changing Stories of John Ramsey, Part 2, Our Reaction to the CNN Special Report: JonBenet, Levi Page interviews The Craven Silence authors March 2017. They were so close, she helped deliver Celeste July, 2015. Explain. Totally agree. Chris Watts: What possibilities exist for his Defense Case? Then when you get out where are the jobs – you are competing with hundreds of other applicants all wanting the same job. Justice Eventualis, Oscar’s Sentence Extended [Documents], The Dark Matter of the Oscar Behind the Great Pretender [Review of White Horse II], Shakedown Reviews Blade Runner Killer, Oscar Pistorius – Part 1, Shakedown Reviews Blade Runner Killer, Oscar Pistorius – Part 2, SCA Sentencing Appeal of Oscar Pistorius – LIVE Blog – November 3, 2017, Expert Psychologist Discusses Oscar’s Narcissism, An Excerpt from WHITE HORSE III #OscarPistorius, [FULL DOCUMENTS] Notice of Application for Leave to Appeal #OscarPistorius July 21, 2016, 4 True Crime Writers Join Forces to Interrogate Oscar, An Excerpt from WHITE HORSE II #OscarPistorius, An Excerpt from WHITE HORSE #OscarPistorius. Of course Chris resented her. They are every bit a booming industry as self-help gurus. MLM hopping Last September, Le-Vel Brands shared on its Facebook page, which has more than 370,000 followers, the “Thrive experience” of one Jon Holbrook . There’s analysis but also synthesis. They are beautiful souls. Why did “Blade Runner Killer” jumble its timeline? It wasn’t until really a few years ago that I got that the very nature of a pyramid company is that you can’t get there. But, once she started selling Thrive, her friend said she was making between $65,000 and $70,000 a year and that she had signed up approximately 200 people. How cynical is that. 08-17-2018, 07:20 AM The wife was an $80K gross revenue producer for a MLM wellness program called Le-Vel Thrive. The confessed killer was a regular, perhaps even obsessive, user of Thrive, a weight loss supplement that promises to help boost energy and increase overall health through patches, pills and shakes. Really? Incredible Story! Q :who created and used various contrived props in their photo set ups to show off stages in her life? It’s like a psychological drug that sucks you in and takes all your money. No innocent father and family man would dispose of his precious babies the way he did if he truly did not kill them. And then there’s this wishy washy ahhh, it’s not so bad attitude to it. As long as you “get value” what is possibly lost? That’s just too easy of an explanation, I’m sorry. A Week Later, Stephen Paddock’s Motive Still a Mystery. Two years later I was asked to participate in an area-wide conference in front of 700 people. Sounds very much like she’s there to control what is said about the company. HEARTBREAKING images show the soiled clothing and underwear mother Shanann Watts was wearing when she was brutally murdered by her husband alongside her two daughters. MLM is much the same way. It’s not clear what Le-Vel’s various levels actually mean. He is methodical as a madman, now unrecognizable to Shan’ann. MLM lives and dies on buy-in. Shan’ann was supposed to be home earlier but her plane was delayed. Dirty South Customs = Shan’ann’s Dirty Little Secret? The only ones who get one of those are the “gold emeritus nationals” at the top of that pyramid, who are being asked to retire (at least in the company I was involved with). I saw an advertisement in a Barnes and Noble in the bay area in 2012 that said “help wanted, must have a degree in library science.” Really? It’s an inability to recognize or admit that an economic determinism exists in this country that enables predatory MLMs and other abusive enterprises. What I love about these counter arguments is they take a theory, invert it and leave you with nothing. She wrote on a comment under the pic she was the one tht took the pic. And I believe it’s a form of magical thinking. + 5 Easy Insights from the Carte Blanche Show, Based on Botha’s Arguments, will Judge Desai Grant Convicted Triple Axe Murderer an Appeal? Thrive is such a weird part of this case to me. They were being sued by their homeowners association, and it looked like they were headed for a divorce. I recall one of the Thrive promotional videos where Shanann discusses her life prior to Thrive: holding down two part-time jobs, one of which I think was a swing shift. And if her business partner wasn’t, what did that indicate about Shan’ann’s income, with or without his participation? I just have to wonder when Chris Watts figured it out. So the murders had to take place after the birthday party they attended (5:30 -7pm?). And, they spring up all of the time. 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